Clementine Morrigan is the author of several books and zines, and the creator and facilitator of the popular workshop Trauma Informed Polyamory. Clementine and I discuss many of my favorite topics including non-monogamy, abolitionism, shame, how we often miscategorize shitty relationships as abusive relationships, the complex physical & emotional discernment needed to assess true safety and security, how fawn dynamics can intersect with BDSM & sexual submissiveness and our culture’s oversimplified understanding of consent.
Find Clementine at clementinemorrigan.com, on Instagram @clementinemorrigan and on Patreon.
Clementine’s Book Recommendations: I Hope We Choose Love by Kai Cheng Thom and Various Sci-Fi books by Ursula La Guin
Songs featured: “Sex-o-Matic Venus Freak” by Macy Gray and “Never Enough” by Eminem, 50 Cent & Nate Dogg
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Jesse is is a research psychologist and Director of the Centre for Science Communication at the University of Otago in Dunedin, New Zealand. He is the author of several books, all of which examine controversial & taboo topics. We talk about the nature of sexual perversion – what it means, how it’s defined and why moralistic, socially constructed positions related to behavior of any kind can be extremely problematic. We dive into everything from pedophilia to incest to zoophilia and challenge the “nature” argument as it relates to the construction of sexual orientation. We also discuss how shame and punishment have played a role in human relationships throughout history, how theory of mind can feed into a belief in something greater than ourselves, suicide, narcissism, and how Trump embodies a perfect elixir of both cleverness and psychosis enabling him to capitalize on collective human psychology.